Spiritual Dangers of New Age Meditation and Yoga

Harper’s ran an in-depth article on the fate of a young woman who did intensive Easterm meditation at a retreat and contacted mental illness as a result. It ended tragically. The piece reviews significant scientific literature on the deleterious effects of meditation.

I warned of the psychological, physical, and spiritual dangers of yoga and meditation in my book, Confronting the New Age (InterVarsity Press, 1988). Back then, a New Age organization was set up to help people who experienced mental problems through New Age involvement, The Spiritual Emergency Network. I also quote yoga teachers who warn of the psychological and physical dangers of yoga when (in their mind) done wrongly. I have excerpted part of that book below from the Kindle version. (Sadly, the footnote references do not appear, but they will if you purchase the book from Amazon, which is only $2.99.)

We were made for worship, relationships, and work. We were not made to sit for hours on end focusing on our breath, having little external stimuli, and blanking out our God-given minds. Our minds are to be renewed through the Holy Spirit and according to the Word of God (Romans 12:1-2; 2 Timothy 3:15-17; Hebrews 4:12; Psalm 119), not annulled or deconstructed into oblivion.

The article mentions that Buddhist writers of old warned of “demonic” dangers of meditation. Remember that “Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light and his ministers as ministers of righteousness” (2 Corinthians 11:14; see also 2 Peter 5:8; 1 John 4:1-6). 

Please read the Harper’s article with what I wrote in mind–in mind! Don’t waste your mind or direct your consciousness to nothing or Nirvana. “The mind is a terrible thing to waste.”

Spiritual Dangers (from Douglas Groothuis, Confronting the New Age)

Those who trust in Christ are given access to spiritual discernment and power in spiritual combat. Yet those outside of Christ are fair prey of the enemy. In communicating to New Agers it is sometimes wise to warn them that psychic sojourns may lead them into raging spiritual storms. 

As New Age seekers dive into their spiritual experiences, they leave themselves vulnerable to both fraud and spiritual deception Some seekers are primed for deception because they are desperate, hurting people looking for an answer—any answer. If Christians encounter such souls, a word of warning is a good tonic. Even if we can’t lead them to Christ just then, we can warn them of occult dangers and offer the safety of knowing Christ as victor over sin and Satan. 

It should be made clear that the Bible prohibits all occult activities for at least two reasons. First, God alone is worthy of worship, and he is rightfully jealous of our affections and obedience. Since he is supremely good, this jealousy translates into a desire both to glorify himself and to have his creatures live as they ought to live. Second, God also knows the reality of fallen spiritual beings who entice humanity to follow their destructive ways. For these reasons he vetoes any suggestion of occult involvement. Although many biblical passages condemn the occult, this passage from Deuteronomy, originally given to God’s people who were to possess the Promised Land, is the most exhaustive: 

When you enter the land the LORD your God is giving you, do not learn to imitate the detestable ways of the nations there. Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD, and because of these detestable practices the LORD your God will drive out those nations before you. You must be blameless before the Lord your God. (Deut 18:9–13; see also Lev 19:31; 20:6) 

Isaiah echoes this and points us in the right direction: “When men tell you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living? To the law and the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, they have no light of dawn” (Is 8:19–20; see also 47:8–15). 

Although there are scores of other biblical warnings, consider the stark finality of Jesus Christ’s words concerning those who will not enter the eternal city: “Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood” (Rev 22:15). If the biblical warnings are not heeded, cautions can be given from New Age literature itself. For instance, if a friend wants to take a yoga class at the local YMCA to help calm her nerves, we might quote the following, written by an advocate of yoga: “Yoga is not a trifling jest if we consider that any misunderstanding in the practice of yoga can mean death or insanity.”26 Practitioners of yoga often warn of the power of the kundalini energy, represented as a serpent coiled at the base of the spine. The purpose of many forms of yoga is to “awaken the kundalini” and release its energy upward through the seven chakras (energy centers) of the body. But the yogis themselves caution that this is no child’s play. One might get burned (literally!) by the serpent’s hot breath—or go insane.27 

In an issue of ReVision, a scholarly New Age journal, consciousness researchers Christina and Stanislav Grof speak of “transpersonal crises” that are often linked to “various meditative practices which are specifically designed to activate spiritual energies.” These include “the practice of yoga, Zen, various movement meditations, pranayama, Kundalini maneuvers, Tibetan Buddhist psychoenergetic exercises, Christian prayer and other forms of deep and systematic spiritual involvement and self-exploration.”28 (Given the substance of their article, it is clear their concept of “Christian prayer” is not a biblical spirituality, but pantheistic introspection falsely labeled Christian.) 

The Grofs believe these “emergencies” are merely difficult stages often required for greater growth, which they interpret as New Age enlightenment Yet their descriptions of the “crises” are bone chilling, especially when describing the “awakening of the Serpent Power (Kundalini)” which they say “can be accompanied by dramatic physical and psychological manifestations called kriyas,” which include “powerful sensations of heat and energy streaming up the spine, associated with tremors, spasms, violent shaking, and complex twisting movements.” They also mention “involuntary laughing or crying, chanting of mantras or songs, talking in tongues, emitting of vocal noises and animal sounds, and assuming spontaneous yoga gestures (mudras) and postures (asanas).” Other physical manifestations include “nausea, diarrhea or constipation, anal or uterine contractions, clenching of the jaws, rise and drop of temperature, and bulimia or loss of appetite. The entire body can be rigid or limp, and feel unusually large or small.”29 

Although the Grofs also list supposedly positive benefits of kundalini such as “ecstasy, orgiastic raptures, and states of indescribable peace and tranquility,”30 one must risk a total breakdown (or worse) for that prize. Yet all the subjective enjoyment in the world cannot yield the forgiveness of sins or the peace of mind offered by Jesus Christ, who requires no such psychological and physical violence from his followers. 

The Grofs found these “transpersonal emergencies” prevalent enough among New Agers that in 1980 they founded “the Spiritual Emergency Network” to help enlighten the “psychotherapeutic community” to the reality of the issue and to offer assistance through education and referrals to those undergoing various crises. The headquarters for the Spiritual Emergency Network is on the campus of the California Institute of Transpersonal Psychology in the San Francisco area and has 42 regional centers worldwide.31 

Yoga may also open up a person to spiritual contacts and all manner of occult activity. Transcendental Meditation—while claiming to be a neutral, psychological technique—uses yogic methods to alter consciousness. Maharishi, its founder, has said that the purpose of chanting the mantra in Transcendental Meditation is “to produce an effect in some other world, to draw the attention of those higher beings or gods living there. The entire knowledge of the mantra . . . is devoted to man’s connection, to man’s communication with the higher beings in a different strata (sic) of creation.”32 

If a person says he is interested in yoga simply as a physical discipline, he should be told that it was not invented by the mystic masters of old simply to cultivate better physiques. Yoga teachers such as R L. Hittleman admit that any health benefits are secondary He also admits to having used the health angle to hook Westerners on the Hindu world view.33 

An article in Yoga Journal on parapsychology even warns psychic sojourners that the use of divination (through Ouija boards, automatic writing and other methods) “in a frivolous or disrespectful manner” makes one “liable to attract ‘lower’ discarnate communicators, including ghosts or poltergeists, and one runs the risks of becoming obsessed or possessed.”34 Christians need not use quotation marks for the word lower, because they believe in an active “Lowerarchy.”35 of demonic mischief-makers capable of possessing, obsessing and oppressing those outside the protection of the risen Christ. Although the article in Yoga Journal issues a small warning, it falls tragically short of Christian discernment It tantalizes readers by saying that “two of the most famous ‘channeled’ teachings of recent years—the Seth books and the ‘messages from Michael’—got their start on the Ouija board.”36 

Christians may challenge New Age aspirants by concretely relating dangers of various New Age practices. Many of these—channeling, psychic healing, mind-altering meditations and so on—are nothing but modernized occultism, and occultism exacts too high a price in the end. The late Kurt Koch, Christian theologian and occult counselor for over forty-five years, has given hundreds of examples of occult bondage in his many writings. His seasoned analysis was that “no one makes use of occult powers without harm.”37 We are not suggesting that all people involved in some occult/New Age practice will suffer similar symptoms, but that these practices are outside the will of God and thus generally dangerous. 

Confronting the New Age: How to Resist a Growing Religious Movement (pp. 76-80). InterVarsity Press, 1988. Kindle Edition.

22 thoughts on “Spiritual Dangers of New Age Meditation and Yoga

  1. A question I want to ask is, why are the majority of people that practice meditation not negatively affected by it? It seems to only be a minority of persons that have potential underlying mental health issues.

    • Insightful work sir. 👍 I am a Hindu and had been practicing meditation since school days for almost 20 years and I must say that my mental health deteriorated since then, and I ended in severe depression and OCD anxiety issues. I am unsure if the negative effects are due to throws of karma or whatever, but I agree to what has been said in this article regarding certain aspects, out of personal experience. I, being both a doctor and a patient have confronted enough confusion regarding these psychological practices and finally rest the case by saying that just do your work and leave the rest to god! I am still learning, unlearning and relearning. Meditation may be good for majority but definitely not worth at the price of losing the sanity! 🙏

      • Hello mahadeva9. I sympathise with your situation. What would be beneficial to know about your case is whether there is any family tree of mental illness anywhere in your ancestors, or if through any other way you may have some type of nature prone to something like schizophrenia or bipolar disorder, exclusive of the practice of meditation from an early age. I am friends with a man in his 90s who practised meditation as an infant onwards and became a genius and a mathematical professor, who meditates and does not have anxiety or depression or any severe mental illness. His son has schizophrenia though, similar to Albert Einstein.

        When meditation is simply just relaxation without concentration, it is beneficial. Because thinking too much is a negative state of mind that leads to psychosomatic illnesses through stress, which is like around 50% of the ailment and effect on the physical body.

        Running for exercise and eating correctly is really more than enough to reduce stress without the need for meditation practice. Deeper relaxation would have to proceed physical health first if you want the tranquil effect from meditation. Tension should be avoided by concentrating too hard and sleep should be avoided at the same time. I can’t see how a practice of that can be harmful in any way. But if you try to avoid distracting thoughts by force of mind that creates tension instead of relaxation.

        Lastly, you cannot have spiritual peace unless God has lifted your sin off of you by His grace. You can have physical turmoil, illnesses, diseases, unease, aches and pains etc, but all of those things are external to the innermost heart or core of your being, where your conscience resides, and where God does a spiritual surgery on your soul and mind and transforms you into a person with an underlying peace and rest forever. In Hinduism, that may exist but my personal experience goes to a different place, which is Jesus Christ. Maybe you need to read the Bible for yourself without preconceived ideas based on the interpretations of other people and see what you think about it?

      • Thank you Dr Ross for your elucidation, it certainly gave me clarity. I especially felt drawn to your sentences “you cannot have spiritual peace unless God has lifted your sin off of you by His grace. You can have physical turmoil, illnesses, diseases, unease, aches and pains etc, but all of those things are external to the innermost heart or core of your being, where your conscience resides, and where God does a spiritual surgery on your soul and mind and transforms you into a person with an underlying peace and rest forever.” Thank you very much! I believe in divine timing and thereby should trust him!

      • Thank you so much Dr. Ross for your valuable elucidation which gave an insight into my issue. I believe in the divine & need to trust him!

    • I am not a professional on the subject but I believe the reason some ppl don’t get negatively is because deep inside they themselves do not believe the truth, that Jesus was raised from the dead / Jesus is the son of God. Satan is actively trying to convince people of his lies and when he convinces you of that lie his mission is complete. More than likely these people are already deceived so Satan already has them wrapped around his finger. If they will ever believe in the truth of Jesus, now is not their time. he end is closer than we may think and when someone dies/that day comes those who do not believe in him will not make it to heaven if they don’t repent and believe.

  2. Best to stay far away from anything with the occult. Andrew Strom has some videos under “Kundalini Warning” on youtube. The intro music is a bit scary. But he shows where a phenomena called the Toronto Blessing that moved through some charismatic churches back in the 1990’s looks quite a lot like the Kundalini spirits found in India.

    Remember The Exorcist movie based on Peter Blatty’s book. I started to wonder recently about why the Catholic priests performing the exorcism dragged it out for weeks and weeks. Other people that teach on deliverance ministries in Protestant evangelical circles and missionaries don’t do that. Seriously, when you read up on it a disciple would just take authority in Jesus name and cast the demon out. No waiting around listening to the demon lying for weeks on end circling the bed chanting and sprinkling holy water. But Catholicism turns it into this long drawn out process giving too much attention to the devil. Catholicism is the counterfeit Christianity. With their crucifixes. Suggesting that Christ is being perpetually tortured on a Cross when Christ is actually safe in heaven with God.

    The Jesuits even came up with 2 false schools of eschatology: futurism and preterism to counter the Reformation. Francisco Ribera’s futurism was picked up by John Nelson Darby and popularized throughout dispensationalism by the Scofield Reference Bible. Now a large segment of Christianity and Dallas Theological Seminary are promoting futurism ahead of historicist interpretations of the End Times prophecies and 80 million copies have been sold of the end times Tim LaHaye “Left Behind” series adovating a false doctrine of the rapture when Christ predicted no rapture. He said everyone would be raised on the Last Day AFTER those in the graves rose.

    You don’t hear of a lot of cases of demonic oppression but that is perhaps because any cases of that would be buried on psychiatric theories of multiple personality disorder these days but according to psychiatrist M Scott Peck there are actual cases of demon possession that do occur. He wrote a book on two experiences he had with it but then again he was messing around consulting a Catholic Vatican source, Father Malachi Martin, on it.

    We are living in the Laodicean “Tolerant Church” Age now. Strange how much unquestioning blending we see between Catholicism and Protestantism. I grew up with it and did not question it until recently making discoveries about just how corrupt the popes, the Jesuits, the Inquisition, etc actually were. Apologetics wanders around in to too many teachings from Augustine and other Catholic sources. Apologists these days ought to do a much better job of distinguishing true Christianity from counterfeit false Christianity because the fake, weak, false Gospel could do a lot of damage to Christian thinking today.

    Sometimes I just think the devil has changed his tactics. The false Roman Church was dealt a mortal blow by Napoleon but she has been working on rising since then with establishing the Vatican City state in the early 1900s and with Vatican II, etc.

    It may be that with our technology and society’s tendency to make false idols out of the government, education and science that the devil can use those avenues of deception with greater efficiency to corrupt people’s thinking so he doesn’t need us to use the occult or demonic oppression as much in the industrialized nations any more.

    The television has in a way a sort of occult power. They can send subliminal messages via television and also there is a trancelike quality to tv where they pour ideas non stop into people’s heads unlike when we read. When we read we have to stop and reflect.

    A quote about tv that I ran across the other day:
    Your mind slips into the hypnotic trance state within seconds of watching TV. This lowers your brainwaves to a lower ‘alpha state’ commonly associated with meditation and deep relaxation. This is believed to be caused by the screen flicker and explains why you feel sleepy while watching TV. – end quote

    So read the bible, sleep, pray, fast, listen to the good music….do all those things that help to meditate on the lovely. Our minds are under assault by the world and strangers almost constantly through the tv and media unless we deliberately take a break and rest from it.

    • So, to you, are Calvinists Christians? Are you aware that Douglas holds to a reformed theological view? What does the God of scripture say about eternal hell? As a human with a sin nature, I am so hopelessly lost in this world that I can hardly trust even myself, which is why I prefer to trust what God says in the Bible over what I want God to be in my own imagination.

  3. David Edward Ross look at this passage from 1 John 4:
    4 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

    2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

    3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

    i go off the scriptures in my thinking quite a bit myself but there also exists this strange animal called “organized religion” that likes to say certain beliefs or things determine who is a Christian and who is not. But 1 John 4 tells you right there in verse 2 what is required to have the Spirit of God.

    I have never thought a Calvinist wasn’t a Christian because he believes in hell. I don’t even judge all Catholics as non-Christians though I know how many false beliefs that denomination contains. Can you abide in Christ and be mistaught on a lot? I think so. But people could have a relationship with Christ that survived all the bad doctrine.

    Traditional religion puts a lot of strictures on people’s thinking that the Bible never places on people. If you don’t speak Hebrew or Greek you should probably be questioning mainstream religious beliefs which are all based on a sound translation of the Bible a lot more than you do. How do you know the translation is sound if you don’t know Greek or Hebrew?

    What sank my belief in hell was reading Aion-Aionios by John Wesley Hanson which showed me how aion was mistranslated to give people a false understanding of hell. Then I discovered more an more info revealing that eternal torment is a lie. I understood that more easily than most Christians because I recognized that eternal torment is not in line with God’s nature.

    Scripture conforms to God’s nature doesn’t it? And God’s nature doesn’t conform to human will does it?

    You have a free mind and can check doctrine for yourself. You can even throw doctrine out and start all over. Maybe we should. Why should the aberrant beliefs of faulty generations or churches that preceded us control our thinking today? Are you a new creation in Christ or a product of systematic religion. Keep in mind that unified theology is not that unified. If it were you wouldn’t have so many denominations.

    If God gave you a free mind so it could change and grow into the mind of Christ then why don’t we examine every major belief we hold. Why let a passed down belief system that contains errors determine everything you think?

    The modern day apologists debunk all the cults like the Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists, etc and call them non-Christian. Well what about that mother lode of religious ideas called the Roman Catholic Church? Do you really stay in an uneasy overly tolerant alliance with her today or do you expose her false beliefs for what they are? Borrowed from Babylonianism.

    Revelation 17: Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the judgment of the great prostitute who is seated on many waters, 2 with whom the kings of the earth have committed sexual immorality, and with the wine of whose sexual immorality the dwellers on earth have become drunk.” 3 And he carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness, and I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was full of blasphemous names, and it had seven heads and ten horns. 4 The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and jewels and pearls, holding in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the impurities of her sexual immorality. 5 And on her forehead was written a name of mystery: “Babylon the great, mother of prostitutes and of earth’s abominations.” 6 And I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of the martyrs of Jesus.[a]

    Revelation 18: 4 Then I heard another voice from heaven saying,

    “Come out of her, my people,
    lest you take part in her sins,
    lest you share in her plagues;
    5 for her sins are heaped high as heaven,
    and God has remembered her iniquities.

    • I think the issue of the translation of the word “aion” is not so straightforward. It’s not a mistranslation as different people come to different conclusions about it.

      Do you think Satan and his demons will be eternally tortured?

      • David Elliott Ross, if there is no straightforward translation of a word then language is meaningless.

        Google that essay online and read it.

        I don’t believe anyone will be tortured. Some pain? Possibly but that is hard to say. The verse for torment is a Greek mistranslation and also a misinterpretation of a Greek metallurgy analogy.

        God is supremely good and loves everyone all the time. This lifetime has enough “hell” in it for anyone to learn from. The Lake of Fire is for purifying people.

        Don’t let your spiritual mind be retarded by overly literal misinterpretations of the Bible.

        Youtube has 2 short videos showing some of the mistranslations. Google: What is the Second Death? And watch it.

        Then watch Refined in the Lake of Fire. Both videos are by a church named Total Victory of Christ church. Their site explains a lot on this doctrinal error.

        We are in a revealed religion. Catholicism covered up lies for over a thousand years by controlling scripture. They had the Bible on the forbidden books list at one time and didn’t want anyone but a few priests knowing the Greek or Hebrew.

        Why lock everything in unbiblical Latin?

        The popes wanted blind obedience but God doesn’t approve of blind obedience. He gave you a free mind.

        Take care. Remember God loves everyone all the time. The errors are all on the human side.

        To err is human. To forgive is divine.

        God can love us without approving of us.

        We have to study and change our wicked ways to be approved of by Him.

        God bless!

      • David Elliott Ross,

        A Short Tract on “Aion” by Gary Amirault of the Tentmaker site.

        How would you feel if I used the word “age” in the following manner.

        First of all I would use it as a period of time with a beginning and an end.

        I could use it for a very short period of time like 3 days or for a very long period of time covering thousands of years.

        Then I would also use the word to mean world or course of this world.

        I would also use the word to mean eternal or everlasting.

        If I said, “age of the age,” I really mean forever or forever and ever or for evermore.

        If I said, “age (singular) of the ages (plural),” I mean throughout all the generations of.

        If I said, “age (singular) of the age (singular),” I also mean for ever and ever.

        In addition, if I used the word age in the plural form, ages it means more than one age. If I used it as an adjective, I would mean eternity.

        It should be clear to anyone reading this, that we would have a very difficult time communicating with each other if I used the word age in the manner I just described. The Greek word aion, which should consistently be translated age, was used exactly as described in the above paragraph in the King James Bible.

        A thorough study of this word in a good concordance such as Young’s Analytical Concordance to the Bible will reveal that the King James Bible butchered that word. Why? If they didn’t twist the word the way they did, the doctrine of eternal punishment could not be supported by the Bible. So they took a word which simply means an indeterminate period of time or an age and twisted it into a word which can be as short as a day to the concept of timelessness, that is, eternity.

        The fact that the King James Bible says that the Aaronic Priesthood is an “everlasting” priesthood when the book of Hebrews clearly states an end to it should make one think. (see Ex. 40:15 and Heb. 7:14-18) KJV has Jonah in the belly of the whale “forever” which actually ended three days later. (Jonah 2:6) Dozens of examples like the ones above should make one see that the King James translators did not handle the translation of this word aion and its Hebrew counterpart olam correctly.

        Modern Bible translations have come a long way in clearing up much of the outright contradictions found in the King James Bible. But there is still more work to be done. The doctrine of eternal torment is what is at stake. If the translators render the word aion and its adjective aionios consistently as a period of time with beginnings and endings, then the teaching of “eternal” punishment will no longer find a place in the Bible. This teaching has been the main instrument used to hold people in institutional churches. Those who use fear to hold people will not abandon this weapon.

        Write for a list of Bibles that have already removed the false teaching of “eternal punishment” from their pages. Also, we have gathered dozens of books, booklets, tracts, etc. which will prove to the open-minded that the teaching of eternal punishment in hell is a pagan concept which is not found in correctly translated Bibles.

      • David Edward Ross, I leave you to inspect your own belief system.

        I read today that mercy is the most neglected topic in the Bible. Maybe it’s because the apostate church under the Mother of Harlot’s teachings is a breeding place for psycho path ideas like eternal torment.

        Imagine being so deceived by organized religion that you entertain a fear ideology disguised as eternal torment in your mind and cannot learn to shake that fear.

        The Bible says perfect love casts out fear. I am really not interested in revisiting this psychosis of the church called eternal torment ever again. Not even to correct it though at one time I corrected it for people a lot and a lot of the fearful resisted correction.

        Fear is one of the demons that a disciple casts out. It has no place in the thoughtlife of a person ruled by God’s love and who’s mind is stayed on perfect peace on him while abiding in him.

        Hope you learn to cast that fear demon out because I am not going back to perform that hard mental labor for other people again that they should have learned to do with Christ already if they had the spirit.

        Our words reveal the state of our hearts.

        Eternal torment? Is manipulative lying balderdash.

        May you repent of your false doctrine and see the light soon.

        The church is beset with a lot of people with “forms of godliness” in every generation. The real ChrIstian children of God are like misfits in this world. Outnumbered by the abominable and cowardly both in and outside of the church.

        Revelation 21:8 ESV

        But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

        Satan is a crafty, sublime, wingless old boy, isn’t he? He appears like an angel of light (a pope wearing Dagon the fish god hat on his head) and teaches the potential children of God to embrace and uphold a fear doctrine in their heart and heads and a lot of these people don’t even bother to leave the pew and go out and save other people though these “forms of godliness “ (pew warmers) claim many will be damned and tortured.

        So you believe people are slaves to sin and will be damned with pain and eternity for forever but didn’t evangelize them around the clock? Either you don’t really believe eternal torment yourself or you are too afraid to tell people about it but want to sit around having a nice chat over the gory details? How many will be tortured you ask.

        I no longer entertain such gory thoughts. I am obedient and think only about the lovely as I am supposed to.

        You on the other hand better get evangelizing unless you can prove hell is false.

        Research into it. Or stay bound for the Lake of Fire that God reserves for cowards.
        As a man thinketh in his heart so he is.

        The truth is brave.

        I ran into someone like you a while back. He was pleased to act the bully though and threaten a lot of unbelievers with hell then was too afraid to check the sources I gave him that corrrcted him.

        Oh joy…not! To try to correct someone allowing a fear to control him. So afraid of being wrong he couldn’t even take charge like a Berean, check if he was wrong and change his ways.

        A lot of “professional” Christians are just like him. Some will lose their jobs and income and even family members and congregations if they check and come over to truth’s side.

        But what is better? Obeying God and upholding the truth or conceding to a lie like a coward would?

        God bless! No need to exchange further. An apologist can research and work his own faith out better than most can.

        Though everybody ought to be able to seek the truth out.

    • You cleverly did not answer my question, but rather skated around it, Susan. I asked you specifically whether the devil and his angels will go to hell forever. Surely you would want Satan and Hitler and Stalin and Mussolini to go to hell forever? Why not engage with the question instead of ignoring or evading it? Atheists are masters of evasion, and when they are cornered, they admit and SAY “I don’t know”. Egotism is repulsive , humility is the darling of fame. Tell me and everybody else reading this why we should listen to OPINIONS about the translation of one word in Greek. YOu sound like a mystic, Susan, where subjectivism outweighs objectivism. Like, when the Bible has God ordering the slaughter of other humans and animals and crops, your explanation for why that happens is a filmsy zero. How does Susan know that hell is not eternal?

      • I did answer your question David Edward Ross.

        I said the question was evil.

        The Lake of Fire is for purification purposes not torture.

        I don’t care who a person is. Nobody deserves punishment for an eternity. Even if you killed 100 million people eternity is not an equitable punishment.

        The essay I mentioned on the translation isn’t an “opinion”.

        A word has a definite meaning. AT TIME OF USAGE. Hanson the language expert checked at time of usage!

        You play word games arguing. Try thinking clearly before resorting to games to please your flesh and an evil doctrine that someone taught to you.

        I know he’ll is not eternal because there are better scholars out there than you to consult.

        On top of that I know the character of God better than you do obviously or you wouldn’t have bought the hell lie hook, line and sinker.

        The scriptures conform to God’s character.

        But there is nothing stopping an evil man from trying to alter or counterfeit scripture to suit himself and his own evil or erroneous opinions.

        The Bible has many passages added on later. People have taken the Bible and made subtle changes to it to produce the Jehovah’s Witness Bible. Made massive changes to it to produce Thomas Jefferson and Hitler’s bibles. Even totally counterfeited it to produce the Quran. And last but not least some added to it like the Mormons with their book of Mormons.

        And the Catholics with their inclusion of the Apocrypha which contains contradictions to the Bible.

        You trust that KJV that was produced by Puritan
        and Catholic translators under King James.

        But I know they borrowed from the error ridden Vulgate Bible by Jerome that Catholicism forced on the Christian world for as long as they could.

        It was a fight to get the Bible out of Latin. Unfortunately the Protestants have lost their “protest” and many are too gullible to check for a translation error in a REVEALED religion.

        So you put your work in and research. Your term twisting argument is lame.

        A lot of hair splitting goes into understanding the Bible. You have to have the spirit of God before you can even understand a Bible accurately.

        Subjectivism? Don’t you mean the spiritual interpretation?

        You were probably mistaught by organized religion on how to rightly divide the Word, too.

        The Bible says to compare spiritual to spiritual using the whole Bible to understand things.

        But this generation doesn’t teach that. It bottoms the spiritual interpretation in favor of limiting things to context and to the literal-grammatical-historical method. Then throws something called hermeneutics into the mix trying to make it like you had to go to a divinity school to learn how to interpret the Bible.

        But the Bible itself tells you how to rightly divide the Word so learn that too. Perhaps, your teachers were so systematically inculcated they forgot God and the spirit was behind everything. Oh yes, they paid Him lip service but did they learn how to interpret His way?

        Read Hanson or don’t. But don’t argue against something you don’t understand because you were too scared to take the bull by the horns and find out you were deceived by a lot of things.

        What you find out might be what separates you from the pack,

        God bless!

      • David Edward Ross, do me a favor and don’t come back with an argument or a question. This is much too important a topic to take lazy shortcuts on.

        Seriously, your interpretation of scripture has you going around making early judgments on people trying to control them when the Bible warns you:

        Matthew 7:2, ESV
        2For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you.

        Judge with righteous judgment. You might need to get your own information to be able to judge with righteous judgment. An argument isn’t always sufficient in providing that.

        God rewards seekers. It never mentions that arguing is rewarded.

  4. David Ross, if you want to do something significant for Christ get a post card and mail it to:
    President Joe Biden
    The White House
    1600 Pennsylvania Ave, NW
    Washington DC, 20500

    On the post card write: Designate Nigeria as a “Country of Particular Concern”.

    By doing that the US lets Nigeria know if they do not stop letting Fulani Herdsmen kill Nigerian Christians and steal their farm land then we are prepared to sanction their oil. The president of Nigeria is a Muslim Fulani Herdsman and ought to be able to stop this.

    Trump had planned to designate Nigeria but did not get re-elected so we need the Biden Administration to pick up where Trump’s left off helping persecuted Christians.

    Tell everyone you know. The Religious Freedom Coalition has info on it’s website about it.

    Imagine for the price of a stamp and a post card you can help save a life and right a wrong.

    God bless!

    • If you think this discussion is an argument I can’t help you with that. I did ask you twice already the same question which you have evidently refused to answer. So there’s no point in continuing the discussion.

      Lastly, your interpretation is not shared by everybody.

      • David Edward Ross, let’s agree to disagree.

        I reserve the right to discuss certain topics to people who display the teachable spirit. That is in short supply these days. That keeps me out of ill willed arguments with strangers who could have researched for themselves.

        Bye. Have a great day.

  5. God gives us free will. Those who choose to reject Him will not be forced to abide with Him for eternity. The alternative to abiding with God is an eternity separated from all that is God and thus all that is good. That condition may have been perceived by the writers of scripture to be the hell that we recognize from the Bible, but whether or not it matches our interpretation of it or not, separation from God for eternity is a choice and not one that God will take away from us.

  6. Thank you so much Dr. Ross for your valuable elucidation, it gives me an insight into my issue. I believe in the divine & need to trust him!

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